MALE Heribert II

Count of Meaux, Soissons, and Vermandois, and lay-abbot of Saint-Crépin and Saint-Médard (Soissons), 900×7-943.

Heribert first appears as lay-abbot of Saint-Médard de Soissons on 6 November 907 ["venerabilis comes Heribertus abba preest" Settipani (1993), 224, n. 231, citing an act of Charles the Simple]. He appears as a witness to a charter of Robert (of Neustria) and his son Hugues on 30 May 914 ["Signum Erberti comitis." Mabille (1871), xcviii-c]. In 923, using false promises of safe conduct, he captured king Charles the Simple ["... et Heribertus comes Bernardum, consobrinum suum, cum aliis legatis consilium quod per illos agebatur, ut fertur, ignorantibus, ad Karolum dirigit: qui ab eisdem sacramentis persuasus, ad Heribertum cum paucis proficiscitur; quique eum in castello suo super Somnam, apud Sanctum Quintinum, suscepit." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 923, 15], who remained a captive for the rest of his life. Heribert died in 943, and his lands were distributed among his sons in 946 ["Quidam motus inter filios Heriberti comitis agitantur pro hereditatum distributione suarum; qui tamen, Hugone principe avunculo ipsorum mediante, pecantur, divisis sibi, prout eis competens visum est, rebus." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 946, 100]. See Schwager (1994).

Date of Birth: Unknown.
Place of Birth: Unknown.

[Date of Death: 23 February 943.
["Heribertus comes obiit, quem sepelierunt apud Sanctum Quintinum filii sui; ..." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 943, 87] The date of 23 February comes from the necrology of the church of Reims [Longnon (1909), 229, n. 4]
Place of Death: Unknown (buried at Saint-Quentin).

Probable father: Heribert I, d. 900×906, count of Vermandois.
Although not directly documented, this parentage is very probable. See the page of Heribert I for more details.

Mother: Unknown.

Spouse: NN, still living 931 [Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 931, 51 (not named)], daughter of Robert I, d. 923, king of France.
This relationship is confirmed by the fact that Hugues the Grand was an avunculus of Heribert's sons, who in turn are called nepotes of Hugues (see the page of this wife for details).

Children:
Heribert's lands were distributed among his sons in 946 ["Quidam motus inter filios Heriberti comitis agitantur pro hereditatum distributione suarum; qui tamen, Hugone principe avunculo ipsorum mediante, pecantur, divisis sibi, prout eis competens visum est, rebus." Flodoard, Annales s.a. 946, 100]. The children are not listed in any one place in the contemporary sources, but various statements in Flodoard's annals clearly document the five sons and two daughters listed below. Of the children, only Hugues has a well documented approximate birthdate. Depending on whether Hugues was one of the elder or younger children, this has led to varying conjectures for the birthdates for the other children [see, e.g. Werner (1967), table; Bur (1977), 507-513; Schwager (1994), 401-6].

MALE Eudes, d. after 19 June 946, count of Vienne and Amiens.
Eudes was apparently the eldest son of Heribert. He first appears in 927, when a quarrel broke out between king Raoul and Heribert, with Heribert wanting the county of Laon for his son Eudes, and the king giving it instead to Roger, son of Roger ["Anno DCCCCXXVII, inter Rodulfum regem et Heribertum comitem, pro Laudunensi comitatu quem Heribertus Odoni, filio suo, dari petebat, concedente illum rege cuidam filiorum Rotgarii, nomine Rotgario, simultas exoritur." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 927, 37]. In 928, Heribert obtained Vienne for Eudes from king Hugh of Italy, which, however, Charles Constantine was holding in 931 ["Hugo rex, habens colloquium cum Rodulfo, dedit Heriberto comiti provintiam Viennensium vice filii sui Odonis" Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 928, 43; ibid., s.a. 931, 46]. A year after the death of Heribert, in 944, Eudes was holding Amiens, but was driven out by men of the king ["Ambianensem quoque urbem, quam tenebat Odo filius Heriberti, favente Deroldo episcopo, et tradentibus ipsius episcopus fidelibus, domestici regis recipiunt. Ex quibus rebus ita gestis exoritur iterum discordia inter regem et filios Heriberti." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 944, 91]. Eudes was still alive on 19 June 946, when he witnessed an act of Hugues le Grand [Settipani (1993), 225, n. 245].

FEMALE Adèle, d. 960, m. 934 Arnulf I, count of Flanders.
["Arnulfus de Flandris filiam Heriberti, olim sibi juramentis alterutro datis depactam, sumit uxorem." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 934, 59; "Ipse namque iam predictus comes venerabilis Arnulfus accepit coniugem Adelam, domni Heriberti comitis filiam atque duorum regum, Odonis scilicet atque Rotberti, neptem." Witger, Genealogia Arnulfi comitis, MGH SS 9: 303]

MALE Heribert "vetulus" ("the old"), d. 980×4 apparently 30 March [Bur (1977), 114], abbot of Saint-Médard de Soissons; count of Omois;
["Nepotes Hugonis, Heribertus et Rotbertus, ..." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 952, 134]
m. 951, Eadgifu,
daughter of Eadweard "the Elder", king of Wessex, and widow of Charles III of France.["Ottogeba regina, mater Ludowici regis, egressa Lauduno, conducentibus se quibusdam tam Herberti quam Adalberti, fratris ipsius, hominibus, ad Heribertum proficiscitur; qui suscipiens eam, ducit in conjugem." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 951, 132]

MALE Robert, d. after 19 June 966; count of Meaux, 946-; count of Troyes, 956-;
["Rotbertus, filius Heriberti, se Lothario regi committit." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 957, 144; "Rotbertus, frater Heriberti, ..." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 960, 148]

m. 942×950, Adélaïde (Werra), d. after 967,
daughter of Giselbert, count of Chalon and Troyes.

MALE Albert (Adalbert), d. 8 September, 987 or after [Bur (1977), 510], count of Vermandois, 946-987;
["Cum quo postquam locutus est Remos revertitur, ubi Adalbertus, filius Heriberti, ad eum veniens, ipsius efficitur." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 949, 123 (see also, s.a. 951, quoted above)]
m. Gerberge, daughter of Giselbert, duke of Lorriane.
[
Dümmler (1876), 246, n. 1; Glocker (1989), 282-3; see the page of Giselbert for details of this marriage]

FEMALE Liégard, living 16 August 979 [Bur (1977), 512],
m. (1) ca. 940,
Guillaume I, d. 943, duke of Normandy;
m. (2) 943×5, Thibaut I "le Tricheur", d. 16 January 975, count of Blois and Chartres, viscount of Tours.
["Hugo presul assumens secum Teobaldum, sororis suae maritum, ...", Flodoardi Historia Remensi Ecclesiae, iv, 33, MGH SS 13: 584; "Tetbaldus nempe, patrato scelere, concitus perrexit ad Heribertum, Trecorum comitem, petens ab eo sororem ipsius dari sibi in conjugium, uxorem scilicet predicti Willelmi quem interfecerunt." Rodulfus Glaber iii, 9, 39 (p. 88)] Liégard was still living on 5 February 978, when she appears in a charter of Saint-Pére de Chartres [Cart. Saint-Pére de Chartres 1: 63-5]

MALE Hugues, b. ca. 920, d. ca. 962 [Bur (1977), 507], archbishop of Reims, 925-932, 940-6.
His father had him created archbishop of Reims at the age of five ["Episcopatus Remensis Heriberto comiti comissus est sub obtentu filii sui Hugonis, admodum parvuli, necdum, ceu ferebatur, quinqennis." Flodoard, s.a. 925, MGH SS 3: 376].



Commentary

Falsely attributed mother (fictional): Berthe, daughter of Guerri (Wedricus), count of Morvois, and his wife Eva.
See the page of
Heribert I for discussion.

Falsely attributed daughter (in fact a granddaughter):
FEMALE Adèle, m. Geoffroy Grisegonelle, d. 987, count of Anjou.
Although Heribert did have a daughter of this name, she was the wife of Arnulf of Flanders (see above). The Adèle who was wife of Geoffroy Grisegonelle was Heribert's granddaughter, a daughter of his son Robert, as is discussed on Adèle's page.

Falsely attributed son:
MALE Ragenold/Renaud, d. 10 May 967, count of Roucy.
This falsehood appears in amateur work from time to time, due to its appearance in the widely used Ancestral Roots [AR7, 133 (line #151); see the page of Ragenold].

Conjectured daughter (very improbable):
FEMALE Godehilde, living 1005;
m.
Yves I, livinf 1005, lord of Bellême.
[Depoin (1909), 153-6] Godehilde was almost certainly in a later generation than the children of Heribert.


Bibliography

AR7 = Frederick Lewis Weis (with additions and corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr.), Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700 (7th, ed., Baltimore, 1992).

Bur (1977) = Michel Bur, La formation du comté de Champagne (Nancy, 1977).

Cart. S.-Père de Chartres = M Guérard, Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de Saint-Père de Chartres, 2 vols. (Paris, 1840).

Depoin (1909) = Joseph Depoin, "Les premiers anneaux de la maison de Bellême - Contribution à la chronologie des évèques du Mans", Bulletin Historique et Philologique du Comité des Travaux Historiques et Scientifiques, 1909: 147-167.

Dümmler (1876) = Rudolf Köpke & Ernst Dümmler, Kaiser Otto der Große (Leipzig, 1876).

Glocker (1989) = Winfrid Glocker, Die Verwandten der Ottonen und ihre Bedeutung in der Politik. Studien zur Familienpolitik und zur Genealogie des sächsischen Kaiserhauses (Cologne-Vienna, 1989).

Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).

Longnon (1909) = Auguste Longnon, "Nouvelle recherches sur les personnages de Raoul de Cambrai", Romania 38 (1909): 219-253.

Lot (1901) = Ferdinand Lot, "Herbert le Jeune et la succession des comtés champenois vers 1023", Annales de l'Est 15 (1901): 265-283.

Mabille (1871) = Émile Mabille, Introduction au Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou (Société de l'Histoire de France, vol. 155, Paris, 1871).

Rodulfus Glaber = Maurice Prou, ed., Raoul Glaber - les cinq livres de ses histoires (900-1044) (Paris, 1886).

Schwager (1994) = Helmut Schwager, Graf Heribert II. von Soissons, Omois, Meaux, Madrie sowie Vermandois (900/06-943) und die Francia (Nord-Frankreich) in der 1. Hälfte des 10. Jahrhunderts (Münchener historische Studien Abteilung mittelalterliche Geschichte, 6, 1994).

Settipani (1993) = Christian Settipani, La préhistoire des Capétiens 481-987 (Première partie - Mérovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens) (Villeneuve d'Ascq, 1993).

Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.


Compiled by Stewart Baldwin

First uploaded 23 May 2007.

Note about Ragenold of Roucy added 24 April 2008.

Minor revision uploaded 26 July 2008 (discussion of the documentation on his wife moved to the page of that wife)

Note about Godehilde added 24 January 2011.

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